Seine Gedanken sind wie meine
Skipping tangentially from blog to blog I discovered this interesting little snippet. I post it here for feedback.
I was walking down the street this evening, the time encroaching on the wee hours of the morning, and I got to thinking about sex. How unusual, you’re thinking. Guy thinking about sex. And you’d be right to be cynical. Some studies have tagged the occurrence of sexual thoughts in a guy’s mind at something like once every 30 seconds, or even more often than that. Then I got thinking: What a phenomenon it is that there is really anything at all to think on the matter! If dogs could talk, and one were to ask such a dog what he liked about sex, his answer probably wouldn’t be particularly interesting. After all, there’s not a whole lot to the ritual of a dog’s getting it on. Female dog goes into heat, male dog responds and resolves the situation. Intercourse happens, and life continues as usual. Some might boil down the human experience similarly, but it’s the fact that it requires so much boiling down that is the point of interest. Sex, in its human form and all that surrounds it, has been fetishized to such a degree that all but the very basics of the act are unrecognizable from their original form. Merrian-Webster defines a fetish as “an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression”. Ignoring the more blatant associations of the term fetish (bondage, leather, feet, etc), things like clothing and music, or rituals and institutions like dating and marriage are all responsible for compartmentalizing the human experience of sex. In a way, all of these things serve to concentrate the basic act of sex, much the way the petals of certain flowers are concentrated to create a bottle of perfume, so that it can be delivered on command (relatively speaking) in a much more intense and sensual form than simple intercourse. Both men and women wear specific clothing to attract their mates, clothing that, in a purely utilitarian sense, is really a hindrance to the end result. As a culture, we date, listen to the right music, and partake in innumerable courting rituals, all of which ultimately delay the desired result. And yet, they all serve to enhance the experience. We increase our pleasure by making that pleasure more difficult to come by, by delaying the time it takes to arrive at it, and by introducing further complexity to the act itself. Fascinating that the human race could create such social tactics to modify a biological process. Is it to our benefit?
The darker side to this is that, since our social constructs tend to run towards monogamous sex, things like infidelity are also fetishized. There are, I'm sure, heaps of studies declaring that humans are hard-wired for multiple partners, and probably a fair number for the opposite point of view. Regardless, many people cheat, and since we are presented with an allegedly biological predilection for multiple partners, and a constructed social norm that prohibits this (inadvertently making a sort of fetish out of it as a result), the individual member of society is presented with an interesting challenge in this regard. To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses? To our conscience? Or are we slaves at all?
- By Seanny McShawn, from this post.
I was walking down the street this evening, the time encroaching on the wee hours of the morning, and I got to thinking about sex. How unusual, you’re thinking. Guy thinking about sex. And you’d be right to be cynical. Some studies have tagged the occurrence of sexual thoughts in a guy’s mind at something like once every 30 seconds, or even more often than that. Then I got thinking: What a phenomenon it is that there is really anything at all to think on the matter! If dogs could talk, and one were to ask such a dog what he liked about sex, his answer probably wouldn’t be particularly interesting. After all, there’s not a whole lot to the ritual of a dog’s getting it on. Female dog goes into heat, male dog responds and resolves the situation. Intercourse happens, and life continues as usual. Some might boil down the human experience similarly, but it’s the fact that it requires so much boiling down that is the point of interest. Sex, in its human form and all that surrounds it, has been fetishized to such a degree that all but the very basics of the act are unrecognizable from their original form. Merrian-Webster defines a fetish as “an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression”. Ignoring the more blatant associations of the term fetish (bondage, leather, feet, etc), things like clothing and music, or rituals and institutions like dating and marriage are all responsible for compartmentalizing the human experience of sex. In a way, all of these things serve to concentrate the basic act of sex, much the way the petals of certain flowers are concentrated to create a bottle of perfume, so that it can be delivered on command (relatively speaking) in a much more intense and sensual form than simple intercourse. Both men and women wear specific clothing to attract their mates, clothing that, in a purely utilitarian sense, is really a hindrance to the end result. As a culture, we date, listen to the right music, and partake in innumerable courting rituals, all of which ultimately delay the desired result. And yet, they all serve to enhance the experience. We increase our pleasure by making that pleasure more difficult to come by, by delaying the time it takes to arrive at it, and by introducing further complexity to the act itself. Fascinating that the human race could create such social tactics to modify a biological process. Is it to our benefit?
The darker side to this is that, since our social constructs tend to run towards monogamous sex, things like infidelity are also fetishized. There are, I'm sure, heaps of studies declaring that humans are hard-wired for multiple partners, and probably a fair number for the opposite point of view. Regardless, many people cheat, and since we are presented with an allegedly biological predilection for multiple partners, and a constructed social norm that prohibits this (inadvertently making a sort of fetish out of it as a result), the individual member of society is presented with an interesting challenge in this regard. To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses? To our conscience? Or are we slaves at all?
- By Seanny McShawn, from this post.
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16 Comments:
Hmmm...thought provoking post.
I am probably a slave to the indoctrination of my childhood in all things sexual.
I could, through a considered reasoning process, mentally break free of most other forms of conformity, and in all other matters live my life in a way that resulted from my own evolving outlook. So I have managed to be true to the person I felt myself to be in all ways other than my sexual self, but fail to understand why that should be.
I am fascinated by people who are capable of complete sexual honesty in their relationships. I think they are rare?
I suspect that you are not only a slave to your childhood, but a slave to millenia of evolving sexual social conventions of ever-increasing complexity, just as we all are.
We can declare ourselves to be unique, individuals, free-thinkers, but how much of our behaviour is predicated on our foundations? On our social history? To truly "break free of most...forms of conformity", you would likely have to be able to say that your approach to society and the world differs just as much from your own historical background as it does from that of a native of Ghana, Chile, or of Mongolia. I doubt that there are many who could make that claim.
We are only slaves to our impulses when we abrogate our personal responsibilites and choose to be slaves.
Of course we all have impulses... but we also have self-awareness and free will. We do what we choose to do.
Of course we all have impulses... but we also have self-awareness and free will. We do what we choose to do.
Do we? Or is it only the illusion of self-awareness and free will? How can anyone be sure? Certainly, I don't condone the "abrogation" of our personal responsibilities, but in such a situation, even such a repeal would be predetermined. How do I know that my determination to make my own choices is not, in itself, a predetermined response to a vast array of experience and stimuli?
I think the whole 'Free Will' debate is a HUGE Red Herring... apart from being basically unanswerable - probably because we're asking the wrong questions.
Do we have 100% freedom in everything we do? Of course not. But that doesn't mean we don't make meaningful choices on a daily basis.
Do I know with absolute certainty that I have Free Will at all? No I don't. Do I know with absolute certainty that I'm not living in some kind of computer simulation and that I'm actually just a moderately sophisicated piece of software? No I don't. But I'm going to act as if I'm a real person in the real world with Free Will.
"To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses? To our conscience? Or are we slaves at all?"
Until we realize we need help, we will be slaves.
Cyberkitten,
I don't disagree with you, I'm merely stressing one angle of this point while you stress the other. Yes, we should probably all behave as though we have free will, even though free will might be an illusion.
Mark,
Sounds profound but, since it's couched in a right-wing Christian agenda, it's meaningless.
Lecture all you like, but until we agree on the existence of the god you propose to be preaching for (which we don't), any argument based on premises derived from such a belief is an excercise in futility.
Ubersehen said: Yes, we should probably all behave as though we have free will, even though free will might be an illusion.
Agreed.
I think that it is difficult to argue against the idea that we are each individually products of our upbringing, our culture and our biology. Our actions are constrained by the laws of chemistry and the physical universe... but that is not, I believe, the whole story. Despite all of the above we still have the capacity to act willfully because we are self-aware conscious beings.
Oh, and how is it that nearly all philosophical discusions always end up debating Free Will..?
[chuckle].
uber, your right.
What you are wrong about is what you claim a Truth is couched in. You may not like me or other 'christians' for a number of reasons and be perfectly justified. However, if it's Truth you want, you must first 'die' to yourself. Otherwise you and your pals can potificate until for eternity, you'll still be slaves standing at the door of truth.
Respectfully
However, if it's Truth you want, you must first 'die' to yourself. Otherwise you and your pals can potificate until for eternity, you'll still be slaves standing at the door of truth.
I'll have to disagree again. If it's your truth that I want, I'll have to follow the curious process that you've laid out for me. Otherwise, you can keep your door of truth. I'll find my own, thanks.
MQM,
Sex is not just the physical act but also a social contract so I don't think it's accurate to see all the social stuff as 'add on'. Even birds and animals conduct complex mating rituals prior to 'the act'.
But were these complex mating rituals in place from the very beginning? Isn't it possible that mating took place in a very simple manner long ago, and that such complex behaviours arose through competition and imbalances among the sexes? Regardless, the notion of sex being a social contract is not something that is necessarily universal, nor something that has been in place from the beginning either.
But this is where religious beliefs can make a discussion like this one sticky: Creationists will state that all species were created roughly as they are found today, thus negating the possibility of any kind of social evolution resembling what is described here. And so to progress, again, the issue of the existence of a god must be addressed.
I saw March of the Penguins and the penguins are really dedicated to their babies. The guy penguin has to keep the egg safe for a long time while the female makes a long trek to find food. When she comes back they trade off. It's very taxing on both 'parents' and requires a lot of self sacrifice.
Sure does, but they'd all be dead if they didn't do it. If that isn't natural selection, I don't know what is. Regardless, how does this relate to the social conventions we're discussing?
if a person cannot control themselves to the point where they are having multiple affairs or addicted to internet porn (causing damage to their marriage and family life or resulting in STDs) then they are a slave to their sexual desires.
I disagree with Mark because the underlying meaning of his statement presumes the existence of absolute rights and wrongs as dictated by his christian god. I don't think that anyone is disagreeing that having multiple affairs or being addicted to internet porn (or anything for that matter) can be unpleasant for those affected.
I knew this sounded familar. I read this post from Seanny McShawn several months ago.
Here is my take on this…
We live in a sexually saturated society, and what was once considered deviant, perverted and immoral is now glorified and considered normal. People are desensitized towards sexuality as early as grade school through childhood “sex-education” courses, uncensored cable television and complete lack of parental guidance. So now even the thought of having sex only within a marriage relationship is virtually unheard of, completely mocked at, and criticized as though it was the most absurd, unrealistic approach to sex ever in history.
Meanwhile, in a perpetual quest for the ultimate sexual experience, the pleasure fades quickly as we are ultimately left unfulfilled and starving for more. So now, it’s not enough just to enjoy sex with one person, we constantly are seeking to fulfill our “fetishes” and gradually we become more deviant, perverted and immoral with our sexual relations. As we continue to seek first our own personal satisfaction, we foolishly ignore the life-long consequences of a fifteen-minute fling, particularly for the “unwanted" children involved. There are good reasons why social constructs tend to run towards monogamous sex.
Studies show that men and women who are in their first marriages, on average, enjoy significantly higher levels of sexual gratification, physical and mental health than those who are either single, divorced or living together. The research on this is very strong.
Sadly, in our culture where marriage is no longer a pre-requisite to have sexual relations when can see the devastating results of having casual sex. In addition to STD’s, emotional instability and other problems, we have the factor of “unwanted” pregnancies which will either lead to abortions, or “unwanted” children who grow up in single parent homes, primarily without a father. Children without mothers and fathers who are married, typically grow to hate and resent their parents; and 9 times out of 10, the children will repeat this cycle of their parents and have more “unwanted” children out-of-wedlock.
So to answer the questions:
To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses?
I would say, to the same degree that we are selfish and lack self-control. Also, if morality is a relative term, then the more we are enticed by our lusts. We begin to redefine morality and tolerate perversion, and as a result we can become enslaved to our impulses.
To our conscience?
Well, hopefully I don’t go to far off the topic, but here is my take on this…
We live in a sexually saturated society, and what was once considered deviant, perverted and immoral is now glorified and considered normal. People are desensitized towards sexuality as early as grade school through childhood “sex-education” courses, uncensored cable television and complete lack of parental guidance. So now even the thought of having sex only within a marriage relationship is virtually unheard of, completely mocked at, and criticized as though it was the most absurd, unrealistic approach to sex ever in history.
Meanwhile, in a perpetual quest for the ultimate sexual experience, the pleasure fades quickly as we are ultimately left unfulfilled and starving for more. So now, it’s not enough just to enjoy sex with one person, we constantly are seeking to fulfill our “fetishes” and gradually we become more deviant, perverted and immoral with our sexual relations. As we continue to seek first our own personal satisfaction, we foolishly ignore the life-long consequences of a fifteen-minute fling, particularly for the “unwanted" children involved. There are good reasons why social constructs tend to run towards monogamous sex.
Studies show that men and women who are in their first marriages, on average, enjoy significantly higher levels of sexual gratification, physical and mental health than those who are either single, divorced or living together. The research on this is very strong. Read entire report here=> Social issues of marriage and family
Sadly, in our culture where marriage is no longer a pre-requisite to have sexual relations when can see the devastating results of having casual sex. In addition to STD’s, emotional instability and other problems, we have the factor of “unwanted” pregnancies which will either lead to abortions, or “unwanted” children who grow up in single parent homes, primarily without a father. Children without mothers and fathers who are married, typically grow to hate and resent their parents; and 9 times out of 10, the children will repeat this cycle of their parents and have more “unwanted” children out-of-wedlock.
So to answer the questions:
To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses
I would say, to the same degree that we are selfish and lack self-control. Also, if morality is a relative term, then the more we are enticed by our lusts. We begin to redefine morality and tolerate perversion, and as a result we can become enslaved to our impulses.
To our conscience?
Depends on how you define morality and to what extent you live you life with or without accountably.
Or are we slaves at all?
Yes, we are all slaves to our flesh and our sinful nature. But, there is a way to be freed from that bondage and there is an outlet for your sexual desires – it’s called marriage.
Sorry Uber, about my last post. That was a cut and paste episode gone really bad. I don't know how that happened and got so tangled so please forgive me. Feel free to delete it since it is obnoxious in repetition. Besides - You probably don't care what I think anyway - so just ignore it.
BTW - I wanted to say thanks for all your comments and debates on my blog. Even though we don't agree on anything, it's good to have your opposition and it's been fun watching you battle it out with Mark.
Don't worry - You'll come to the knowledge of Truth, someday. You can't deny God for ever ya know?
Truly compelling little piece, my friend. Broaches a number of interesting quandaries for any of our celibately-inclined brothers and sisters. These arenas of thought tend to be inexplicable nonetheless which, I guess, makes the rituals of relationships all the more bittersweet.
It certainly does, but I don't think that we, as a society, would have it any other way. If sex and all the institutions that have formed because of it were to revert back to nothing but simple grunting and thrusting the world would have a very different set of priorities.
That, and kink is really really awesome.
dani said:
To what degrees are we slaves to our impulses
I would say, to the same degree that we are selfish and lack self-control. Also, if morality is a relative term, then the more we are enticed by our lusts. We begin to redefine morality and tolerate perversion, and as a result we can become enslaved to our impulses.
i agree. i think this is true for just about everything that we do. i think this is most evident in religion, and the topic of society, sex and religion (the hypocrasy existing therein) is the biggest example.
the reference to how a dog or penguin mates are ultmately useless (to me). they leave out the thing that separates us (humans) from those animals, and that is our self awareness/ego and our participation in the ultimate mystery of "love."
we as humans overcomplicate everything we do. but we seem to really be the only species capable of experiencing boredom with repetition. i can throw a ball a hundred thousand times across the yard, and my dog has fun fetching it each time. meanwhile, i get bored with poker after about 15 minutes (im american! therefore i have no attention span).
it is the overcomplication that keeps us going. we as people have to keep reinventing ourselves and our activities so that we dont become extremely bored with life.
i think the same can be carried over into sex. but i dont think that a persons sex life has to be as animalistic as described.
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